“There are a lot of ways they can steal elections.”—DeLancy on alleged voter fraud

Andre Danko:

So I kind of just wanted to follow up on that question, you’ve spoken a lot about deceased voting and cross voting, so I wanted to move to the 2012 election and to ask you, all this research you’ve done over time, do you think it had an impact during the election that year?

Jay DeLancy:

I think the impact was more psychological than anything else. Mathematically, heck no. You know, it was a drop in the bucket, those dead voters we found, they were people who were registered to vote, but the only ones, I’m convinced after really sitting down and looking at the etches with all the different county boards of elections, that there might have been a couple of them who were opportunistic double voters, voting for their dead grandma or something like that who passed away recently, but there weren’t a lot of them. And so we realized that. So did we save the world from dead voting? What we did do is we put any bad people on notice that if they are going to dead vote, they’d better think twice, because they might get caught, and so that was one aspect. The other was the response. There were a couple of things that were very interesting. First, the Democratic party, we didn’t, they were watching us. They weren’t talking to me, but they were watching us. And so I knew this because everywhere I signed up to be an observer, there would be an attorney from the Democrat party who’d signed up to be an observer too. And finally the second time that happened, we were just chatting away, we were breaking all the rules. We’re not supposed to talk to anybody, but we’re just having great conversation, and I’m not doing my job of observing because I’m enjoying the conversation more, but still. Finally, I looked at him and said, “You’re here to observe me, aren’t you.” And he kind of blushed, and so there’s kind of that. And also I’ve noticed the NAACP in Wake County had actually requested UN observers come in to Wake County. The false narrative they’d built up from True the Vote, this is circling back to the stereotypes that the left through True the Vote in 2010, which is when they first did this and had great success. I just got to digress and tell you this that True the Vote, they were so successful, they had observers everywhere and Houston that’s a big deal and late in the day there’s one technique called flooding the zone where people come in and they vote for all the people they need to vote for, and they get out the vote effort they found out they’re not going to vote.  When you do that, when you flood the zone, you’ve been finding out all day that people aren’t gonna vote you’re like a boiler room calling people “you going to vote you going to vote can I give you a ride?”  I’ve worked in that boiler room for Mark Earley in Virginia and Earley if the lady say’s “nah I’m not gonna go I’m too discouraged” it’s like “God we lost one” and it’s like “let me get this straight because it’s was something this morning in the paper someone saying a lot about Earley you’re not gonna vote now.”  She goes “no I’m not gonna vote.”  And so we just kind of throw our hands up and go, slam the phone down and go, “oh we lost one guys sorry.”  But in Chicago in ’82 it came out in Federal trial that they were saving those names and that at the end of the day if they needed those votes they’d send people in to vote for them and we’d seen that phenomenon in Fayetteville where at the last couple of hours suddenly 30-40 people showed up at a precinct to all vote for Rick Glazier, a guy who wound up winning by 39 votes that year so we know that happens. And in 2010 in Houston the new black panthers – this wasn’t publicized like the one in Philadelphia was – but the new black panthers came in with billy clubs and ran off the True the Vote observers late in the afternoon so we figure they were about to flood the zone and they didn’t need witnesses for it.  So this kind of thing does happen. We didn’t have a lot of observers in 2012 but because of our work, the republican party, they had a lot of observers, they had a lot, and they really took it on as a very serious initiative and so you never know what didn’t happen because observers were there.  That’s just the nature of crime.  If you see a policeman on the corner you’ll never know what crime didn’t happen but we think it had an effect and I think we had a fairly honest election for a change in North Carolina that year despite the fact that no ID was required.

Gautam Hathi:

And just to jump in do you think like – you had mentioned Fayetteville – you were saying their efforts to flood the zone and same thing in Houston and do you think they are still sort of conspiracies in the same way as the – obviously Chicago machine politics in the 1980’s is quite an operation – are you saying that still goes on?

Jay DeLancy:

Oh yeah.  Ok let me talk about Chicago machine politics.  I hope you read that report I sent you.  The grand jury report, that report was kind of read and put away – the grand jury expected to change the world, they expected everybody to go and fix their laws.  Nobody did except Mexico oddly enough, with the voter ID that they recommended in that report, no state in North America did that, the only country that did it was Mexico so their elections are more honest than ours are in that regard. But what they did they laundry listed just a whole bunch of ways you can commit fraud.  And yes, nursing homes, eyewitnesses, I actually had a guy’s daughter – she was in a group home – had the mentality of a four year old and she got dragged in to vote and they were the Barry center place of severely mentally retarded. I hate that word, but mentally handicapped people, and people paraded in there and registered them and voted for them and those people didn’t know who they were voting for. And so there’s different kinds of fraud, there’s different flavors, and so we know that kind of machine voting is still going on.  Curbside voting: for some reason they put a loophole in the voter ID law that doesn’t require an ID for curbside voting and we had a senator.  He was all mad and hot under the collar and he was gonna fix it for us and then he was told to shut up and color.  He actually put a bill in and he was a powerful senator too but he failed at getting that fixed.  Instead they went the other way and they created more loopholes last summer so it’s a yeah, short answer.  There are a lot of ways they can steal elections.  Some of them are a lot harder now because of the voter ID laws. They’re not impossible, but it’ll slow them down, and if you can slow them down that’s half the battle so that’s a long way to say yes.  But he was asking the question so sorry.