Dr. Katherine Farris: We spoke a lot about why there are no exceptions that are acceptable. And so that’s just it—when I speak to them, I don’t craft what exception language works because no exception language works. But I have colleagues who are working in Tennessee, for example, where abortion––if there is any fetal cardiac activity present––is a felony. Full stop. And the way that the law is written, that is regardless of the location of the pregnancy. That means that every time they treat an ectopic in somebody’s tube, they are committing a felony. Every time they save someone’s life who is actively hemorrhaging, they are committing a felony. And in Tennessee, the language says you can have an affirmative defense for certain things. So if you are saving the life of the pregnant person, it is a felony, but if you’re charged you can probably defend yourself is kind of the language. For them [Tennessee providers], they are in the position where they do prefer exceptions so that they are not committing a felony every time they provide life-saving, immediately necessary care. They are referring everything that is not immediately necessary out of state, but the things where they can’t wait—somebody’s got an ectopic and it is going to rupture, you can’t put them in a car for five hours; you’ve got to treat them now. That is where the exception language comes in. They [Tennessee providers] are really wanting to put exception language in or to work with lawmakers on exception language just because they are trying to make a bad thing slightly less awful. But we are in a position where we can’t advocate for a bad thing.