Dr. Beverly Gray: The other part of the law [SB 20] was the part saying if you were after beyond 12 weeks, you have to have your abortion care in a hospital setting. That piece of the law is problematic, one, because in many other states stand-alone independent abortion clinics provide abortion care through 20-24 weeks without being in a hospital and they do it safely. The risks of abortion go up as you increase gestational age, but they are still very very low. So, by requiring people to be in a hospital, there is much higher costs with being in a hospital setting. Patients just don’t want to engage with the hospital system. If they meet the exceptions — if they have a medical complication and they are having an abortion because of that– they are already going to be in the hospital for that. They have already been triaged, into that category– this patient I was caring for has a very severe problem with the pregnancy. She is already in the hospital. We are going to care for her in the hospital system. But if you are a victim of rape or incest, or you have been diagnosed with a birth defect in your pregnancy, and you meet North Carolina’s exceptions, you may not want to be in a hospital. The way that interveners cook the numbers — they took all these numbers and transfer numbers from Planned Parenthood. And yes, in a stand-alone clinic, there are occasionally things that arise and the patient has to go to the hospital. But overall, it’s a very low risk of that happening. But they [anti-abortion legislators] did some jumbling of these numbers and they make it look like all these patients in the second trimester were getting transferred all the time, which is not the case at all. There are other procedures like abortion — like colonoscopies, endoscopies, other minor procedures that happen outside the hospital. And occasionally those patients have to be transferred too. And it’s around the same risk as abortion. So why are we creating specialized rules for abortion?